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Aerial Assault · Nov 06, 2007, 06:07 AM // 06:07

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Originally Posted by ThePowerGlove

2) Make it so you can exchange Balth faction for gold, say 5 Balth=1 gold. That gets real rewards out there and gives people with UAX something to dump their stuff into

Agreed with everything (especially suggestion #3) else except above suggestion. Even with that conversion rate, RA wil become a new haven for gold farming bots. Maybe something along the lines of PvP rewards like Tournament Reward Tokens, but with lesser value would be more appropriate.

RhanoctJocosa · Nov 06, 2007, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by Foe

Its awful, if i wanted to cap shrines and hold alters id go pve. Surely there is another way to generate interest in hb..I dunno maybe leave the maps in and disable the pve stuff. They apparently thought hb would be a smashing success on par with gvg, its not, dont force those of us who enjoy ta to play it plz. Why cant ta remain pureish 4v4 pvp...

I'm going to quote something Squidget said on the QQ forums because he's 100% correct: "HvH shrines have always been a much more interesting gametype than elimination. They force movement-based builds and strong skirmish templates, and solve a lot of the build wars problems brought up by pure annihilation maps."

Anything that discourages gimmicky builds (that often fail when forced to split) is a good enough for me.

HB maps in TA are excellent. Gg Anet

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

+ one of those gametypes ( HB for you slow ones out their ) Is completely unbalanced in favor of the shadow step mechanic. Everything going /A = ftl.

I think your point is pretty flawed because if you choose to run Recall (for example) on your players you're crippling yourself for the elimination maps...

greenreaper3 · Nov 06, 2007, 06:33 AM // 06:33

/SIGNED X ∞

i go to RA to kill stuff.. if i wanted to cap id AB remove it ASAP

Sab · Nov 06, 2007, 07:01 AM // 07:01

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

I'm going to quote something Squidget said on the QQ forums because he's 100% correct: "HvH shrines have always been a much more interesting gametype than elimination. They force movement-based builds and strong skirmish templates, and solve a lot of the build wars problems brought up by pure annihilation maps."

Anything that discourages gimmicky builds (that often fail when forced to split) is a good enough for me.

HB maps in TA are excellent. Gg Anet

If you've been playing TA over the weekend, you'll know what Squidget says isn't true in practice.

Gimmicks like R/P, A/Mo and D/P are actually encouraged by the new maps because they are strong skirmish templates which can kill or survive against most things 1v1. The only gimmicks I can think of which are less viable now, are spike builds (which weren't a problem in the first place) and dual-hexers. The rest, including Warmongering poop'n'thump, smite'n'thump and D/Mo Zergway are still very much viable.

As for build wars, I suggested in the other TA thread that build wars wasn't a problem for a decent group running balanced. A standard melee/ranger/antimelee/monk team could beat 99% of the gimmicks in TA if played well, and 100% if played perfectly.

He has a point when he said that it was a more "interesting" gametype, but I still hold that most TAers aren't looking for tactical, movement-based play because it's simply not fun to them (the majority of TAers I've spoken to dislike the new format, even if they know how to play them).

Having played TA over this weekend, I'd say the amount of gimmicks has actually gone up. So I don't know where people are getting the idea that HB maps discourages gimmicks, because in the end, it hasn't.

Sword · Nov 06, 2007, 07:37 AM // 07:37

How can anet expect people in RA to even be remotely organized enough to not run around like chickens with their heads cut off on HM maps.

Anet ruins halls by adding cap points, then they move on to RA/TA; causing destruction along the way.
When can we expect the flag stand in gvg to be replaced a cap point?

Fail anet .... change it back, although you never listen to your players... ruined halls, result: all good players leave halls / the game; ruin TA, expect to lose more. gl selling copies of GW2

loreal · Nov 06, 2007, 12:43 PM // 12:43

remove please

mafia cyborg · Nov 06, 2007, 12:49 PM // 12:49

shrine capping makes more sense for TA than HB.(considerin u're playin with 4humans)
i'd love HB without shrines. (just force teams to move to a center area or suffer heavy degen after 20 sec.) after 10 muntes=draw

DreamRunner · Nov 06, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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Originally Posted by mafia cyborg

shrine capping makes more sense for TA than HB.(considerin u're playin with 4humans)
i'd love HB without shrines. (just force teams to move to a center area or suffer heavy degen after 20 sec.) after 10 muntes=draw

TA was never meant to cap shrines. And not to mention how many TAer's hate shrine capping. TA is more of a teamwork death match.

Yanman.be · Nov 06, 2007, 02:02 PM // 14:02

This topic should be renamed: Remove hb from GW plz.

Foe · Nov 06, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

This topic should be renamed: Remove hb from GW plz.

well played sir

Well for those of you who didnt know ta was a bastion of balance. Sure there are gimmicks that pass through but they are short lived. The good teams/players always run balance when they are playing for glads/wins. Ta was one of the few places shielded from imba skills due to the fact you cant bring 5 copies of some broken ass skill or obliterate the games boundaries to produce imba effects. If they want more ppl to ta then simply make a new reward...thats all..its not rocket science. There is something or someone wrong in the anet team...somewhere cause and effect is lil understood principle or the ppl who make these decisions are not receiving reliable/clear data and or feedback.
Up until this weekend a good balance team>every known "gimmick" to date. 3 coppies of one skill? make that 2 in ta rangers are gods not rits/para . gg

Legendary Shiz · Nov 06, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by loreal

remove please

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Chik N Nuggets · Nov 06, 2007, 03:27 PM // 15:27

no one answers me but il try AGAIN...

what is TA??:?

HawkofStorms · Nov 06, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by Chik N Nuggets

no one answers me but il try AGAIN...

what is TA??:?

Team Arenas.

Mysterial · Nov 06, 2007, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

I'm going to quote something Squidget said on the QQ forums because he's 100% correct: "HvH shrines have always been a much more interesting gametype than elimination. They force movement-based builds and strong skirmish templates, and solve a lot of the build wars problems brought up by pure annihilation maps."

That would be true if the shrines were even remotely balanced, the morale meter was a tiebreaker instead of the best way to win, and teleport based builds were impossible or at least really hard to execute. Since those things aren't likely to happen, it's a crappy, gimmicky format that mostly revolves around how many teleports and solo spikers you have.

Darko_UK · Nov 06, 2007, 04:21 PM // 16:21

QQ some more

TomD22 · Nov 06, 2007, 05:27 PM // 17:27

Well I'm a TA player and I'd like to disagree with all this sentiment

I really like the fact that a new (for TA) mechanic has been added to TA; I think forcing people to run builds that are capable of splitting and a bit more flexibility with morevement etc really helps introduce some more diversity.

Plus, simply, when the TA maps have been the same for a very long time, new maps + new fights is nice just for the sheer novelty value.

So, imo, as a TA player, I'd say keep the HB maps in TA. Possibly, if people really do hate capping shrines so much, you could keep the maps, but remove the shrines (i.e turn them into standard deathmatches).

However: in RA? No way. Remove. As has been said, RA is about jumping in for quick fights, possibly with unorthodox builds. Shrine-capping and more lengthy matches seems very unsuited to this.

HawkofStorms · Nov 06, 2007, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by Darko_UK

QQ some more

Learn what QQing means before you complain about it (thus QQing yourself).

QQ is irational bitching. This is constructing a logical arguement about why this game type isn't good.

ManMadeGod · Nov 06, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Hero battle maps should be removed from RA and TA. (especially RA!)
The reason people like RA is, it's random, fast and simple.

Now we have to bring one running skill for Hero battle maps.
And I don't want to drop rez at all.

Hero battle takes time and it's boring to some RA lovers.

I refused to play arena last weekend because of it, although the reward is doubled.
So please remove them.

Diddy bow · Nov 06, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

This topic should be renamed: Remove hb from GW plz.

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Issac · Nov 06, 2007, 07:43 PM // 19:43

HB maps take to long.